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"How can physics live up to its true greatness except by a new revolution which dwarfs all its past revolutions? And when it comes, will we not say to each other, 'Oh, how beautiful and simple it is! How could we have missed it for so long!'."
On Nov 20, 9:28 pm, Knecht <rlolders...@amherst.edu> wrote:
> "How can physics live up to its true greatness except > by a new revolution which dwarfs all its past revolutions? > And when it comes, will we not say to each other, > 'Oh, how beautiful and simple it is! > How could we have missed it for so long!'."
> John Archibald Wheeler, 2000
> Amen, brother
I find it funny that people concentrate on the "answer", when the "beauty" and "simplicity" derive from the complexity of data via the actions of people that are not afraid to deal with it.
You will be all happy if the accountant tells you you have money after all (or get a refund, whatever), but seem to have little grasp of the crap he / she had to tunnel through to get to the answer.
There is an answer out there, better than GR + Dark Matter + Dark Energy. It will be a simple shift in thinking to get us there. It will take this little boy to find it:
A little boy, when being shown a pile of horse manure, jumped on the pile and started digging furiously. When asked what he thought he was doing, he replied... "with all this horse poop, there has to be a pony in here somewhere. I just have to find it!"
I just wonder if the internet would have immasculated Einstein, as it seems to have done to so many "great thinkers" here.
> On Nov 20, 9:28 pm, Knecht <rlolders...@amherst.edu> wrote:
> > "How can physics live up to its true greatness except > > by a new revolution which dwarfs all its past revolutions? > > And when it comes, will we not say to each other, > > 'Oh, how beautiful and simple it is! > > How could we have missed it for so long!'."
> > John Archibald Wheeler, 2000
> > Amen, brother
> I find it funny that people concentrate on the "answer", when the > "beauty" and "simplicity" derive from the complexity of data via the > actions of people that are not afraid to deal with it.
> You will be all happy if the accountant tells you you have money after > all (or get a refund, whatever), but seem to have little grasp of the > crap he / she had to tunnel through to get to the answer.
> There is an answer out there, better than GR + Dark Matter + Dark > Energy. It will be a simple shift in thinking to get us there. It > will take this little boy to find it:
> A little boy, when being shown a pile of horse manure, jumped on the > pile and started digging furiously. When asked what he thought he was > doing, he replied... "with all this horse poop, there has to be a pony > in here somewhere. I just have to find it!"
> I just wonder if the internet would have immasculated Einstein, as it > seems to have done to so many "great thinkers" here.
Regarding the switch from the Ptolemaic paradigm to the Democritus/ Kepler/Galileo paradigm, the beauty and simplicity are in the elegant concepts and principles that form the natural philosophy of the latter paradigm. The complexity is in the physical and analytical details, which actually increase exponentially as we learn more.
It is quite likely that the next major paradigm shift will follow the same pattern.
RLO wrote: > "How can physics live up to its true greatness except > by a new revolution which dwarfs all its past revolutions? > And when it comes, will we not say to each other, > 'Oh, how beautiful and simple it is! > How could we have missed it for so long!'."
> John Archibald Wheeler, 2000
On the other hand, revolutionary ideas posess diagnostic features:
"All great truths begin as blasphemies" G.B. Shaw 1917
"All truth passes through three stages. First, it is ridiculed. Second, it is violently opposed. Third, it is accepted as being self-evident." Arthur Schopenhauer (1788-1860). John Curtis
On Nov 22, 8:14 pm, John Curtis <j...@curtis.ms> wrote:
> On the other hand, revolutionary ideas posess diagnostic > features:
> "All great truths begin as blasphemies" G.B. Shaw 1917
> "All truth passes through three stages. First, it is ridiculed. > Second, it is violently opposed. Third, it is accepted as being > self-evident." Arthur Schopenhauer (1788-1860). > John Curtis
--------------------------------------------------------------------- or how about:
(1) “When a[n idea of] true genius appears in the world, you may know [it] by this sign, that the dunces are all in confederacy against [it].”
Jonathon Swift
(2) “Theories have four stages of acceptance: i. this is worthless; ii. This is interesting, but perverse; iii. This is true, but quite unimportant; iv. I always said so.”
>> "How can physics live up to its true greatness except >> by a new revolution which dwarfs all its past revolutions? >> And when it comes, will we not say to each other, >> 'Oh, how beautiful and simple it is! >> How could we have missed it for so long!'." > > John Archibald Wheeler, 2000
> On the other hand, revolutionary ideas posess diagnostic > features:
> "All great truths begin as blasphemies" G.B. Shaw 1917
> "All truth passes through three stages. First, it is ridiculed. > Second, it is violently opposed. Third, it is accepted as being > self-evident." Arthur Schopenhauer (1788-1860). > John Curtis
'By denying scientific principles, one may maintain any paradox.' - Galileo Galilei
Wheeler was a bigot, as are all relativists and all aetherialists. Physics was already beautiful and simple before Goodricke denied scientific principles: http://www.androcles01.pwp.blueyonder.co.uk/Algol/Algol.htm How could YOU have missed it for so long! --Androcles
On Nov 20, 11:28 pm, Knecht <rlolders...@amherst.edu> wrote:
> "How can physics live up to its true greatness except > by a new revolution which dwarfs all its past revolutions? > And when it comes, will we not say to each other, > 'Oh, how beautiful and simple it is! > How could we have missed it for so long!'."
They will say exaclty that. Since Aristotle's theory of gravity is so simple and wrong, the religous have never abandoned it. And Newton's Universal theory of motion is so elegant, smug First Law of Thermodynamics idiots like mathematicians will never be woken up from their infinite series stupors. And since the only people who even study String Theory are Physicists it will of necessity be a Gallileo simpleton theory.
On Nov 22, 9:43 pm, "zzbun...@netscape.net" <zzbun...@netscape.net> wrote:
> And since the only people who even study String Theory are > Physicists
Speaking of "String Theory" and its 10^500 cat's cradles, one cannot help but think of the great Maxwell's comment:
“I have no reason to believe that the human intellect is able to weave a system of physics out of its own resources without experimental labour. Whenever the attempt has been made it has resulted in an unnatural and self-contradictory mass of rubbish.” James Clerk Maxwell
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