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>>> If your car is in the garage attached to your house, the post is ON topic.
>> Have you ever seen anyone work on your car check lug nut torque? The >> only thing I have ever seen is an air impact wrench blasting them >> tight.
>I use an impact wrench and recheck with a tire wrench. I have a torque >wrench but it's not that critical. Mine never come off. Too loose they >come off, too tight and you break off the stud, it's not rocket science.
I fear you are underestimating the problem. You may be able to get accurate torque using your method, but many people can not.
Improper torque can damage the rotor or the wheel. It can cause the loss of a wheel (usually only when someone leaves them finger tight). It can cause an accident in some cases.
I recommend using a known good torque wrench to tighen the lugs. It is not hard to do, so why not. I had some work done at a national chain tyre center and was very supprised and pleased to watch them use the air wrench to snug the lugs, but then use a real torque wrench to tighten them. Usuall I end up redoing them as soon as I get home.
>>>>> If your car is in the garage attached to your house, the post is ON topic.
>>>I don't torque my lugnuts. I torque my house.
>>>>Have you ever seen anyone work on your car check lug nut torque? The >>>>only thing I have ever seen is an air impact wrench blasting them >>>>tight.
>>>Harbor Freight sent me one of their endless catalogs, this one with a >>>device to, it claims, provide 30 times as much torque to remove >>>lugnuts. For 20 dollars. I'll admit, I needed it once, in 45 >>>years, and ruined a tire when I couldnt get it off to put on the >>>spare. But I guess that is no reason to buy one now. But if I >>>changed tires for other people it might be worht it, if it works.
>>How the fuck do you ruin a tire while removing lugnuts? >I didn't do it then. I did it when I had to drive the gas station >with the flat tire still on.
Unless you are a toddler, you can easily generate 4-500 ft-lbs jumping on a 18" breaker bar. That'll loosen any lugnut.
>Assuming this is made well enough that it won't break soon.
That's the problem. I doubt it would work twice before breaking. It a ratchet can't take that kind of torque, why would you expect that toy's mechanism to be able to take it?
On Fri, 06 Nov 2009 06:56:06 -0800, Smitty Two <prestwh...@earthlink.net> wrote: >In article <rad7f515bf7ek5ung4smslu5pluo736...@4ax.com>, > mm <NOPSAMmm2...@bigfoot.com> wrote:
>> Assuming this is made well enough that it won't break soon. >It says "beefy." What more do you want?
> >>>> If your car is in the garage attached to your house, the post is ON > >>>> topic.
> >>> Have you ever seen anyone work on your car check lug nut torque? The > >>> only thing I have ever seen is an air impact wrench blasting them > >>> tight.
> >> I use an impact wrench and recheck with a tire wrench. I have a torque > >> wrench but it's not that critical. Mine never come off. Too loose they > >> come off, too tight and you break off the stud, it's not rocket science. > >Hi, > >Or you can warp the disc brake rotor hub. I use impact wrency since I > >have compressor in the garage but I check with torque wrench.
> You cannot check torque on a nut that is already tightened to it's > torque spec. You must use the torque wrench to tighten "up to" torque.- Hide quoted text -
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re: "You cannot check torque on a nut that is already tightened to it's torque spec."
> >>>>> If your car is in the garage attached to your house, the post is ON topic.
> >>>I don't torque my lugnuts. I torque my house.
> >>>>Have you ever seen anyone work on your car check lug nut torque? The > >>>>only thing I have ever seen is an air impact wrench blasting them > >>>>tight.
> >>>Harbor Freight sent me one of their endless catalogs, this one with a > >>>device to, it claims, provide 30 times as much torque to remove > >>>lugnuts. For 20 dollars. I'll admit, I needed it once, in 45 > >>>years, and ruined a tire when I couldnt get it off to put on the > >>>spare. But I guess that is no reason to buy one now. But if I > >>>changed tires for other people it might be worht it, if it works.
> >>How the fuck do you ruin a tire while removing lugnuts? > >I didn't do it then. I did it when I had to drive the gas station > >with the flat tire still on.
> Unless you are a toddler, you can easily generate 4-500 ft-lbs jumping on > a 18" breaker bar. That'll loosen any lugnut.
> >Assuming this is made well enough that it won't break soon.
> That's the problem. I doubt it would work twice before > breaking. It a ratchet can't take that kind of torque, > why would you expect that toy's mechanism to be able to > take it?- Hide quoted text -
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re: "...you can easily generate 4-500 ft-lbs jumping on a 18" breaker bar. That'll loosen any lugnut."
...or snap any lug.
Jerking a wrench on *any* nut is a great way to snap *any* bolt.
> On Wed, 4 Nov 2009 14:55:50 -0800 (PST), ransley
> <Mark_Rans...@Yahoo.com> wrote: > >Have you ever seen anyone work on your car check lug nut torque? The > >only thing I have ever seen is an air impact wrench blasting them > >tight.
On Fri, 6 Nov 2009 05:52:46 -0500, "Ed Pawlowski" <e...@snet.net> wrote:
>"AZ Nomad" <aznoma...@PremoveOBthisOX.COM> wrote in message
>> If you want a better tool to remove lugnuts, get a 1/2" breaker bar >> and a socket.
>And a length of pipe over the handle and jump on it. That's how I loosened >the lug bolts on my Karmann Ghia.
I told here once the story of letting the car sit in the snow with one hubcap missing, then having a flat in the spring at Newark airport and breaking 4 of the 5 studs, one I think by hand but the others by standing, not even jumping, on the lugwrench. Then driving to NYC with only one lug bolt holding the left rear wheel on.
>>"AZ Nomad" <aznoma...@PremoveOBthisOX.COM> wrote in message
>>> If you want a better tool to remove lugnuts, get a 1/2" breaker bar >>> and a socket.
>>And a length of pipe over the handle and jump on it. That's how I loosened >>the lug bolts on my Karmann Ghia.
>I told here once the story of letting the car sit in the snow with one >hubcap missing, then having a flat in the spring at Newark airport and >breaking 4 of the 5 studs, one I think by hand but the others by >standing, not even jumping, on the lugwrench. Then driving to NYC with >only one lug bolt holding the left rear wheel on.
>>>"AZ Nomad" <aznoma...@PremoveOBthisOX.COM> wrote in message
>>>> If you want a better tool to remove lugnuts, get a 1/2" breaker bar >>>> and a socket.
>>>And a length of pipe over the handle and jump on it. That's how I loosened >>>the lug bolts on my Karmann Ghia.
>>I told here once the story of letting the car sit in the snow with one >>hubcap missing, then having a flat in the spring at Newark airport and >>breaking 4 of the 5 studs, one I think by hand but the others by >>standing, not even jumping, on the lugwrench. Then driving to NYC with >>only one lug bolt holding the left rear wheel on.
>Glad you can tell the story.
Thank you.
I drove in the parking lot a bit before I left it. If it hadn't worked well, I would have stayed there. When the final lugbolt broke, just before lower Broadway in NYC, I barely noticed it. I was either stopped or going a mile or two per hour. And the full-size car only sagged a little bit, back at the left rear corner.
> On Fri, 6 Nov 2009 05:52:46 -0500, "Ed Pawlowski" <e...@snet.net> > wrote:
> >"AZ Nomad" <aznoma...@PremoveOBthisOX.COM> wrote in message
> >> If you want a better tool to remove lugnuts, get a 1/2" breaker bar > >> and a socket.
> >And a length of pipe over the handle and jump on it. That's how I loosened > >the lug bolts on my Karmann Ghia.
> I told here once the story of letting the car sit in the snow with one > hubcap missing, then having a flat in the spring at Newark airport and > breaking 4 of the 5 studs, one I think by hand but the others by > standing, not even jumping, on the lugwrench. Then driving to NYC with > only one lug bolt holding the left rear wheel on.
I once had 2 front wheels installed on a 1988 Subaru at a "second hand wheel shop". Some people call places like this a Junk Yard.
The 2 wagon wheels looked just like the originals and the 5 bolt pattern matched up perfectly so the "tech" slapped 'em on, grabbed his air wrench and tightened them down.
I picked up the car and immediately hit the road for a 100 mile drive. The car didn't handle as well as I was used to, but I wrote it off to the snow packed roads and windy conditions. I didn't determine the real problem until I was almost at my destination. Looking back on the trip, I was lucky that the conditions were such that I was never driving at anything close to highway speeds.
As I slowed to about 10 miles an hour, the car felt like it was "wobbling" back and forth. I pulled over and discovered that both front wheels were loose. It turned out that the center hub hole was too small and the wheel was not pushed all the way onto the lugs. In other words, there were bare threads between the hub and the back side of the wheels, so even though the lugs were tightened against the wheel, the wheels wasn't really tightened up against anything. They were sort of "floating" on the hub.
The wheels had loosened up enough that the lug holes were a slightly oblong, but I was able to tighten them up enough to drive slowly to my destination and deal with the wheels the next day.
I had to get 2 new wheels and replace all of the lugs since the threads were ruined also.
After a bit of a discussion, the "second hand wheel shop" reimbursed me for all of my expenses.
<teamarr...@eznet.net> wrote: >On Nov 6, 5:04 pm, mm <NOPSAMmm2...@bigfoot.com> wrote: >> On Fri, 6 Nov 2009 05:52:46 -0500, "Ed Pawlowski" <e...@snet.net> >> wrote:
>> >"AZ Nomad" <aznoma...@PremoveOBthisOX.COM> wrote in message
>> >> If you want a better tool to remove lugnuts, get a 1/2" breaker bar >> >> and a socket.
>> >And a length of pipe over the handle and jump on it. That's how I loosened >> >the lug bolts on my Karmann Ghia.
>> I told here once the story of letting the car sit in the snow with one >> hubcap missing, then having a flat in the spring at Newark airport and >> breaking 4 of the 5 studs, one I think by hand but the others by >> standing, not even jumping, on the lugwrench. Then driving to NYC with >> only one lug bolt holding the left rear wheel on.
>I once had 2 front wheels installed on a 1988 Subaru at a "second hand >wheel shop". Some people call places like this a Junk Yard.
>The 2 wagon wheels looked just like the originals and the 5 bolt >pattern matched up perfectly so the "tech" slapped 'em on, grabbed his >air wrench and tightened them down.
>I picked up the car and immediately hit the road for a 100 mile drive. >The car didn't handle as well as I was used to, but I wrote it off to >the snow packed roads and windy conditions. I didn't determine the >real problem until I was almost at my destination. Looking back on the >trip, I was lucky that the conditions were such that I was never >driving at anything close to highway speeds.
>As I slowed to about 10 miles an hour, the car felt like it was >"wobbling" back and forth. I pulled over and discovered that both >front wheels were loose. It turned out that the center hub hole was >too small and the wheel was not pushed all the way onto the lugs. In >other words, there were bare threads between the hub and the back side >of the wheels, so even though the lugs were tightened against the >wheel, the wheels wasn't really tightened up against anything. They >were sort of "floating" on the hub.
>The wheels had loosened up enough that the lug holes were a slightly >oblong, but I was able to tighten them up enough to drive slowly to my >destination and deal with the wheels the next day.
>I had to get 2 new wheels and replace all of the lugs since the >threads were ruined also.
LOL
>After a bit of a discussion, the "second hand wheel shop" reimbursed >me for all of my expenses.
That's pretty good. A fly-by-night place wouldn't have done that.
Subject: Re: Sunday 8th broken car (LONG) Date: Monday, October 08, 2007 10:42 PM
This afternoon, Sunday, was General Conference. I went to the noon broadcast. At 2 PM the broadcast let out, and I went out to the truck. Called my parents, and see what they are doing. We decided to go to dinner after the 6 pm broadcast, so we would have plenty of time to sit and eat.
I felt a very gentle prompting to go to the Scott and Judy's house. I drove over there, and knocked on the door. No one answered, so I pulled out the cell and called. Bethany called up to Scott, who came down to open the door. We then went upstairs where he was watching TV. He, and Seanie (4) were watching the LDS television on the set, there was a show on the church's expansion in Africa and India, and also the humanitarian aid program.
Telephone rang again. Bethany called up the stairs, the phone was for Scott. he asnswered, and finds out that Judy's car had broken down, and that they (Judy and Gwen) need mechanical help. He asked some questions, aparently three of the lugs had come off, and he suspects broken studs.
We got coats, and such. Decided to take my Blazer to my place to pick up the needed tools.
We went first to an auto parts store, and bought five studs, and five lugs. On the way, I was told that he'd had a prompting that they should not go. Told them, but they went anyway.
We got to my house, and loaded two jacks, and the impact wrench and generator. And some other small tools. A blanket for seanie, figuring he would get cold later. Unload some stuff out of the Blazer. Unload the vacuum cleaner, and the propane infared heater.
I looked at the map, and found the best route.
We talked food, and I thought there was a McD along there some where. We did see the golden arches in the distance. We stopped for dinner at McD in a town beore Interlaken. Scott and I had quarter combos, and Seanie got a burger happy meal. He ate less than half his burger. Scott says sometimes Seanie gets ketchup only.
We got there. They said the front end was shaking around. They stopped at a garage to ask about it, and the guy would not let them go on. They used cell phone to call Scott at the house. Right on the north edge of Interlaken. The gas station was closed. We jacked up the front, and pulled the two remaining lugs. Three studs had sheared off. We realized that we needed an allen wrench to get the caliper apart, and didn't have one with me. I had two in my red tool box that was back home, in the van. Since we had Seanie, I drove the Blazer, which has more seats. The van would not have had a safety seat for Seanie. Though, the van would have had the needed tools.
Lesson is to bring the red auto repair tool box when going to fix autos.
I looked through my tools which I had in the Blazer. I had a few combination wrenches, wire brush, and some other odd tools. No 3/8 allen wrench. I did have an allen wrench set that folds out like a pocket knife. Didn't think any of them was the right size, so I didn't try them.
Fortuantely, I had seen the sign for an atuto parts store in the town just north of us, less than five miles away. I went and didn't find them. I stopped at the ambulance base, there was a fellow there mopping out the ambulance floor. He says the parts store had moved. The store closed at 3, the Napa Auto Parts closed at noon on Sunday.
Went back to the car, and we tried to get the bolts out with vise grips. Got one out, but the other was rusted in. I got the propane torch out of the Blazer. That wasn't enough heat to loosen the threads.
Finally I had to go buy tools. Ithaca was closer than Geneva. There was a detour, and it took a long time to get there. I found a Lowe's, and decided to stop in there. The store hours were white paint, on clear glass. It was impossible to read the store hours from more than about four feet away. Closed.
Went then to the Walmart, and went to the tools section. I threw a Mapp torch in my basket, and then went to look for allen keys. I got two sets, one was L shaped allen wernches, and the othe one was tips for socket wrench. I also got a cheap socket set, and two extra socket ratchet handles. And a deep socket set in half inch drive. I called Gwen on the cell, and asked if there was anything else needed. She asked Scott, who said no. I asked if the gals or Seanie needed a Pepsi or anything. Gwen came back to the phone and said "Just get us home." The tools came to about $105 with the tax.
The return trip, I took the truck detour, which went way out. route 79 west, and then 120 north, and finally got back to 96. passed the sign for a small town, and wasn't sure if I'd gone too far. I got out the map, and I was between Trumansburg, and Interlaken. I couldn't rememer which town was it. the sprit said to keep going north, and so I did. And finally found them on the edge of Interlaken.
Back to the broken car, the allen wench tip did the job, the other bolt came out. The caliper came off with minimal problems. The studs pounded out. we pushed in the new studs as best possible, beat them in with the hammer. I needed a pin punch. I'd brought a cold chisel which did the job. Put the wheel on, and Scott tightened them down with the breaker bar, I sensed he over torqued, not knowing that it's really easy to over torque with a two foot breaker bar. Oh, well.
Judy had them all load into the station wagon, she was driving. I ased if Scott might ride with me, as it would be nice to have company. We were able to discuss the car repair, and sure did help forge our friendship.
We had decided to go a while, and then check lug tightness, in case the studs han't bottomed out. We stopped at a gas station, checked lug tightness. They were all tight.
Judy walked over to me, and asked if I wanted to go through Waterloo or Geneva. Since Geneva was closer to home, I chose that. Figured it was less distance. We took 96A into Geneva, which went right past the road to the Seneca Lake camp turn off. At that gas station, there was a McD, and we stopped to wash our hands. They had a bit to eat, and Seanie wanted a small chocoalte shake, which he started to sip through a straw. I had food and drink in the truck.
We got back into the cars, and headed back Scott and I decided to retorque the lugs some other date, the girls wanted to get home. We stopped at the Coastal gas station near my home. Scott got went into their family car. I headed home.
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